Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/19/2004 03:06 PM House HES

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HB 380-AGGRAVATING FACTOR FOR DRUG OVERDOSE SALE                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0050                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the first order of  business will be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 380, "An  Act relating to aggravating  factors at                                                               
sentencing."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0070                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KEVIN  MEYER, Alaska State  Legislature, testified                                                               
as sponsor  of HB 380.   He explained that while  it is important                                                               
that  this bill  be reviewed  by the  House Health  Education and                                                               
Social  Services  Standing  Committee,  the  subject  is  heavily                                                               
tilted toward the  judiciary and will be closely  reviewed by the                                                               
House  Judiciary  Standing  Committee.    The  bill  pertains  to                                                               
illegal drug  sales and  adds a  new aggravator  [in sentencing].                                                               
He  commented  that   if  this  bill  passes  it   will  be  31st                                                               
aggravator.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0127                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  told the  members that the  committee will  look at                                                               
the portion of the bill that  is pertinent to this committee, and                                                               
the  House Judiciary  Standing Committee  will address  the legal                                                               
aspects of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER explained  that HB  380 adds  an aggravator                                                               
for  illegal sales  of drugs  that result  in a  death.   He said                                                               
currently if a  person is convicted of selling  illegal drugs the                                                               
judge may  apply a sentence of  a presumptive term which  is five                                                               
years, and a maximum of 20  years.  Representative Meyer told the                                                               
members that  in the sentencing stage  years can be added  to the                                                               
presumptive term with aggravators, or deducted with mitigators.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER pointed to an  example in the bill packet of                                                               
a case  that occurred in  Ketchikan where a person  was convicted                                                               
of selling  heroin.  During  the trial process it  was discovered                                                               
that that sale of heroin led  to another person's death due to an                                                               
overdose.    He  told  the members  that  during  the  sentencing                                                               
proceedings it  was argued that  if physical harm  occurs because                                                               
of  sale of  drugs,  then additional  time can  be  added to  the                                                               
sentence.   Representative Meyer said  that the argument  was not                                                               
upheld  because it  was  said  that no  physical  harm or  injury                                                               
occurred.   He told  the members that  there were  arguments back                                                               
and forth that death is [or is not] physical injury.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER  summarized that  this  bill  would add  an                                                               
aggravator  for death  so that  there is  no question  when cases                                                               
similar to this come  to the courts.  He said  he believes that a                                                               
fatal overdose  should be considered  when sentencing  someone of                                                               
illegal  sale  of drugs  because  there  are other  ramifications                                                               
involved besides the selling of drugs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0367                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked if this  aggravator would apply if the                                                               
drugs  were received  as  a  gift.   For  instance,  he said,  an                                                               
individual could  be coerced  or given  drugs without  paying for                                                               
them.   Another  situation  might be  where  an individual  gives                                                               
someone  medicine,  which  could  be the  wrong  dose,  with  the                                                               
understanding that the individual  receiving the medicine pay the                                                               
person back at a later time.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0424                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE CUNNINGHAM,  staff to Representative Meyer,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, testified on HB 380  and answered questions from the                                                               
members.   In  response  to Representative  Gatto's question  she                                                               
explained  that  under  the  aggravator   it  says  that  if  the                                                               
defendant is  convicted of  an offense under  AS 11.71,  which is                                                               
the   controlled   substances   criminal   statutes,   misconduct                                                               
involving  controlled substances  includes delivering  any amount                                                               
of a certain drug, selling a  drug, or having an enterprise where                                                               
drugs are sold.   In the two examples  which Representative Gatto                                                               
posed,  the individuals  would have  to be  convicted under  this                                                               
statute for the aggravator to apply.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked for clarification on illegal drugs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUNNINGHAM pointed  to a list in the members'  packets with a                                                               
schedule  of   all  the  IA   through  VIA  drugs.     There  are                                                               
prescription  drugs that  are listed,  she  noted.   If a  person                                                               
gives someone  a prescription  drug, and  is convicted  [under AS                                                               
11.71],  then   this  aggravator  could  apply,   Ms.  Cunningham                                                               
summarized.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIR WILSON  announced for the  record that  Representative Wolf                                                               
has joined the meeting.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER  commented that  this is something  that the                                                               
two attorneys would discuss during  the sentencing portion of the                                                               
trial.   He said  it is  important to  note that  this aggravator                                                               
does not become a factor until  a person has been found guilty of                                                               
a crime.   Representative  Meyer explained  that if  someone gave                                                               
Representative Gatto  an aspirin and  he died of an  overdose, he                                                               
does not believe this would have any [relevance].                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0541                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL emphasized  that this  bill will  allow a                                                               
judge  discretion in  sentencing someone  who has  been convicted                                                               
[of a crime] and  is not something that must be  used.  He stated                                                               
that  because  of  some narrowly  crafted  laws,  mitigators  and                                                               
aggravators have become necessary tools in sentencing.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0585                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO told  of a person he knows  in the community                                                               
who  has been  involved with  kids,  sports, and  does many  good                                                               
things.   However,  one  day this  person  did something  stupid.                                                               
Someone  needed medication  which this  person happened  to have,                                                               
and  he  sold it  to  the  other  person.   Representative  Gatto                                                               
pointed  out that  no  one died,  but he's  facing  20 years  [in                                                               
prison].   Representative  Gatto asked  for clarification  that a                                                               
death would have to occur for this bill to have any effect.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER replied that  is correct; someone would have                                                               
to die for this bill to have any effect.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO commented  that in the example  he used this                                                               
person was  just saying  that he  paid $14 per  pill, and  if the                                                               
other person would pay him the $14 he could have it.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEYER responded  that  if this  were a  situation                                                               
where a  person did this once  and it was a  stupid mistake, then                                                               
that would be an issue to discuss during the sentencing phase.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced for the  record that Representative Cissna                                                               
has joined the meeting.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   commented  that   there  is   one  other                                                               
significant change  in the  statute.  He  pointed to  the sponsor                                                               
statement where it  says currently law allows that  if "a person,                                                               
other than  an accomplice, sustained  physical injury",  and what                                                               
has been taken  out [of current law] is  "other than accomplice".                                                               
Representative  Seaton  said  [with that  language  removed]  the                                                               
situation  is such  that  two  people can  conspire  to commit  a                                                               
crime,  and  one  person will  receive  an  aggravated  sentence;                                                               
whereas the current statute says  the person injured cannot be an                                                               
accomplice.    Representative  Seaton  asked  for  Representative                                                               
Meyer to comment on that point.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUNNINGHAM  responded that this  bill will add  an aggravator                                                               
to the  current list of aggravators.   In the case  of Whitesides                                                             
v.  State of  Alaska [where]  a person  other than  an accomplice                                                             
sustained a  physical injury as  a direct result [of  the crime].                                                               
She told  the members that  there would  be no change  to current                                                               
law.    The  way  this  bill  is  drafted  it  does  not  specify                                                               
"accomplice",  it  says  "a  person"   dies  or  suffers  serious                                                               
physical injury  from that controlled substance.   Ms. Cunningham                                                               
said the  way it is written  implies that the person  was selling                                                               
or giving  drugs to someone.   The assumption is that  the person                                                               
is committing  an illegal  act and because  of that  act, someone                                                               
dies of it.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  replied  that  he  understands  what  Ms.                                                               
Cunningham is saying,  but said he believes this  would provide a                                                               
dual standard.   If  someone experiences  physical harm,  and the                                                               
person is  an accomplice,  an aggravator does  not apply,  but if                                                               
someone [who  is an accomplice]  dies, an aggravator  does apply,                                                               
he  pointed out.   Representative  Seaton commented  that perhaps                                                               
the  House Judiciary  Standing Committee  should take  a look  at                                                               
this point.  He noted that there  is the same situation as far as                                                               
the seller  goes; however,  it does  not apply  to the  person if                                                               
they are  injured, but  the aggravator does  apply if  the person                                                               
dies.  He stated he does not like the duality of this standard.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  agreed  that  the  Representative  Seaton's  point                                                               
should be addressed in the House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0861                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  asked  for   clarification  of  the  term                                                               
"physical injury."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON explained  that earlier  in the  meeting there  was                                                               
discussion concerning  that point.   She  directed Representative                                                               
Cissna  to a  case in  the bill  packet [Whitesides  v. State  of                                                             
Alaska] which demonstrates  the needs to clarify  the law because                                                             
a person  avoided aggravating factors  in the  sentencing portion                                                               
of the  case because  death was  not considered  physical injury.                                                               
This bill  would add  death as an  aggravating factor  to clarify                                                               
statute  and  provide  the  courts with  an  additional  tool  in                                                               
sentencing.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER  commented that currently law  provides that                                                               
if  someone  is  convicted  of  selling drugs  and  a  person  is                                                               
physically  injured, then  the  courts could  add  [time] to  the                                                               
sentence.    He  commented  that  there  isn't  any  [aggravating                                                               
factor] that deals with death.   Common sense would say that if a                                                               
person dies, the  person is physically injured, but  in the court                                                               
of law [the  language] has to be black and  white.  He summarized                                                               
that all this bill does is  allow for the sentencing judge to use                                                               
this aggravating factor.   He emphasized that the  judge does not                                                               
have to use this in sentencing.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0946                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON referred to AS  11.71 and asked if there is                                                               
any  potential for  a pharmacist  who misprescribes  to be  found                                                               
guilty of a crime in this case.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUNNINGHAM  responded that  it would have  to be  proven that                                                               
there was intentional  misconduct on the part  of the pharmacists                                                               
to even  warrant a  criminal charge.   She said  she is  not even                                                               
sure that  would fall under  a misconduct involving  a controlled                                                               
substance.   She  said she  would look  into it  and get  back to                                                               
Representative Seaton.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  replied  that he  would  appreciate  that                                                               
because if  this bill implements  a new liability  on pharmacists                                                               
then this  committee would be concerned.   He said that  he would                                                               
like to  draw attention to  this issue  [to ensure that  the bill                                                               
does not criminalize a pharmacist's misprescribing drugs].                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  asked if a  pharmacist gives a  double dose                                                               
of pills by accident, is that an offense.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUNNINGHAM  replied that she  is unsure  if that would  be an                                                               
offense  under AS  11.71, which  is the  statute this  bill deals                                                               
with.  The statute pertains  to misconduct involving a controlled                                                               
substance,  where a  person  deals and  distributes  drugs.   She                                                               
reiterated that she does not  know how the situation he mentioned                                                               
would be interpreted under current statutes.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1087                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER told  the members that he would  get back to                                                               
the  committee on  both  questions.   He  said  he believes  that                                                               
pharmacy issues would fall somewhere else in statutes.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO shared  a story  of getting  a prescription                                                               
that said, put three  drops in each ear, three times  a day.  The                                                               
treatment was  for his eyes, and  it was obvious the  problem was                                                               
the doctor's writing.   So what do you do,  he asked, complain to                                                               
the doctor, complain to the  pharmacist, or just stick [the drops                                                               
in his] eyes  as it was intended.   Errors are made.   He said he                                                               
believes that no  one wants to criminalize a mistake  or create a                                                               
situation  where  an  [ill-worded  statute] generates  a  lot  of                                                               
litigation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1154                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER assured  the members that he  would check on                                                               
the two questions Representatives Gatto  and Seaton posed to him.                                                               
He told  the members that he  does not believe either  case would                                                               
fall under the criminal code, but will verify it.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  moved to  report HB  380 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO objected for  discussion purposes.  He asked                                                               
if there  is a zero fiscal  note.  In response  to Representative                                                               
Meyer's  affirmative   response  he  asked,  if   there  are  not                                                               
additional  court expenses  related to  the bill  as this  may be                                                               
another [law] to be challenged.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER commented that he  had the same concern, but                                                               
found that  there are not  that many cases where  this aggravator                                                               
could apply.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO withdrew his objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There being  no objection, HB 380  was reported out of  the House                                                               
Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER told the members  that he would research and                                                               
e-mail answers to the committee's questions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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